Showing posts with label volumes. Show all posts
Showing posts with label volumes. Show all posts

Tuesday, March 20, 2012

Compressed Drive Support in Yukon (SQL2005)?

Hi,

Can anyone please tell me if there will be support in SQL2005 - Yukon for
datafiles to be placed on Compressed volumes or if there will be
compression of the data that is transparent to the user.

Thanks! <Keeps fingers crossed>
JackJack Victor (Nomail@.JustPostReply.tv) writes:
> Can anyone please tell me if there will be support in SQL2005 - Yukon for
> datafiles to be placed on Compressed volumes or if there will be
> compression of the data that is transparent to the user.

I cannot recall having seen anything public about this.

I would also like to point out that support for compressed volumes is very
unlikely to happen. Just how would it work? Compression works on file level
in NTFS. Should SQL Server uncompress the database when it opens and then
compress it when it closes it? But since a database is open most of the
time, what's the point? Or should SQL Server only compress/uncompress on
updates? That would be painfully slow.

Compression of data within SQL Server is possibly something that can happen,
although that I have difficulties to envision a general-purpose compression
scheme that would cover different needs that users may have. This may be an
area where third-party and custom-built solutions will be the answer for
the forseeable future.

--
Erland Sommarskog, SQL Server MVP, sommar@.algonet.se

Books Online for SQL Server SP3 at
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/techin.../2000/books.asp

compress backup file

One KB article (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/231347/en-us) says that
backing up databases onto compressed volumes is not recommended and not
supported. My question is: Is it ok/supported if we backup the databases
regularly and then zip the backup files?
Thanks in advance.
Claudia
Hello,
You can do that. As a precausion once in while just unzip the file and
restore the database in your testing environment and make sure
that UNZIP process and RESTORE work fine.
Thanks
Hari
"Claudia" <Claudia@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4FFA3AD7-AA60-4FEA-BE8F-D58C8AE4039E@.microsoft.com...
> One KB article (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/231347/en-us) says that
> backing up databases onto compressed volumes is not recommended and not
> supported. My question is: Is it ok/supported if we backup the databases
> regularly and then zip the backup files?
> Thanks in advance.
> Claudia
|||Claudia,
Or move the files to a compressed volume after the backup is complete. Move
them back to an uncompressed volume if you have to restore.
-- Bill
"Claudia" <Claudia@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4FFA3AD7-AA60-4FEA-BE8F-D58C8AE4039E@.microsoft.com...
> One KB article (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/231347/en-us) says that
> backing up databases onto compressed volumes is not recommended and not
> supported. My question is: Is it ok/supported if we backup the databases
> regularly and then zip the backup files?
> Thanks in advance.
> Claudia
|||Claudia wrote:
> One KB article (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/231347/en-us) says that
> backing up databases onto compressed volumes is not recommended and not
> supported. My question is: Is it ok/supported if we backup the databases
> regularly and then zip the backup files?
> Thanks in advance.
> Claudia
I've backed up to compressed volumes for years, never had a problem.
Definately don't put the live data files on a compressed volume, but the
backups seem to work without a hitch.
Tracy McKibben
MCDBA
http://www.realsqlguy.com
|||"Tracy McKibben" <tracy@.realsqlguy.com> wrote in message
news:459E4D86.6000705@.realsqlguy.com...
> Claudia wrote:
> I've backed up to compressed volumes for years, never had a problem.
> Definately don't put the live data files on a compressed volume, but the
> backups seem to work without a hitch.
Sure, but have you restored from the compressed volume? ;-)
Seriously, I think there's a few reasons MS recommends against this, but I
haven't seen problems either.
Also, another option is to look at some of the 3rd party backup tools out
there that will compress on the fly as they backup.

>
> --
> Tracy McKibben
> MCDBA
> http://www.realsqlguy.com
|||Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
> Sure, but have you restored from the compressed volume? ;-)
Yep - each backup gets restored to three different servers - DR,
Standby, and Reporting. Full backups every night, logs every 5 minutes,
haven't had one fail yet.

> Seriously, I think there's a few reasons MS recommends against this, but I
> haven't seen problems either.
To be honest, I always viewed it as a "CYA" statement.

> Also, another option is to look at some of the 3rd party backup tools out
> there that will compress on the fly as they backup.
Definately an option. As much as we exercise our backups, I'm pretty
confident that the compressed volumes are safe though.
Tracy McKibben
MCDBA
http://www.realsqlguy.com
|||"Tracy McKibben" <tracy@.realsqlguy.com> wrote in message
news:459E5E0C.6040402@.realsqlguy.com...
> Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
> Yep - each backup gets restored to three different servers - DR, Standby,
> and Reporting. Full backups every night, logs every 5 minutes, haven't
> had one fail yet.
Actually to be honest, knowing you, I sort of assumed you did. I've just
seen too many people who say, "Oh the backups work fine..." only to find
out the restores don't. ;-)

>
> To be honest, I always viewed it as a "CYA" statement.
I recall it having to do something with aligning writes on sector boundaries
and the like for speed, but that was about it.

>
> Definately an option. As much as we exercise our backups, I'm pretty
> confident that the compressed volumes are safe though.
>
> --
> Tracy McKibben
> MCDBA
> http://www.realsqlguy.com

compress backup file

One KB article (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/231347/en-us) says that
backing up databases onto compressed volumes is not recommended and not
supported. My question is: Is it ok/supported if we backup the databases
regularly and then zip the backup files?
Thanks in advance.
ClaudiaHello,
You can do that. As a precausion once in while just unzip the file and
restore the database in your testing environment and make sure
that UNZIP process and RESTORE work fine.
Thanks
Hari
"Claudia" <Claudia@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4FFA3AD7-AA60-4FEA-BE8F-D58C8AE4039E@.microsoft.com...
> One KB article (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/231347/en-us) says that
> backing up databases onto compressed volumes is not recommended and not
> supported. My question is: Is it ok/supported if we backup the databases
> regularly and then zip the backup files?
> Thanks in advance.
> Claudia|||Claudia,
Or move the files to a compressed volume after the backup is complete. Move
them back to an uncompressed volume if you have to restore.
-- Bill
"Claudia" <Claudia@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4FFA3AD7-AA60-4FEA-BE8F-D58C8AE4039E@.microsoft.com...
> One KB article (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/231347/en-us) says that
> backing up databases onto compressed volumes is not recommended and not
> supported. My question is: Is it ok/supported if we backup the databases
> regularly and then zip the backup files?
> Thanks in advance.
> Claudia|||Claudia wrote:
> One KB article (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/231347/en-us) says that
> backing up databases onto compressed volumes is not recommended and not
> supported. My question is: Is it ok/supported if we backup the databases
> regularly and then zip the backup files?
> Thanks in advance.
> Claudia
I've backed up to compressed volumes for years, never had a problem.
Definately don't put the live data files on a compressed volume, but the
backups seem to work without a hitch.
Tracy McKibben
MCDBA
http://www.realsqlguy.com|||"Tracy McKibben" <tracy@.realsqlguy.com> wrote in message
news:459E4D86.6000705@.realsqlguy.com...
> Claudia wrote:
> I've backed up to compressed volumes for years, never had a problem.
> Definately don't put the live data files on a compressed volume, but the
> backups seem to work without a hitch.
Sure, but have you restored from the compressed volume? ;-)
Seriously, I think there's a few reasons MS recommends against this, but I
haven't seen problems either.
Also, another option is to look at some of the 3rd party backup tools out
there that will compress on the fly as they backup.

>
> --
> Tracy McKibben
> MCDBA
> http://www.realsqlguy.com|||Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
> Sure, but have you restored from the compressed volume? ;-)
Yep - each backup gets restored to three different servers - DR,
Standby, and Reporting. Full backups every night, logs every 5 minutes,
haven't had one fail yet.

> Seriously, I think there's a few reasons MS recommends against this, but I
> haven't seen problems either.
To be honest, I always viewed it as a "CYA" statement.

> Also, another option is to look at some of the 3rd party backup tools out
> there that will compress on the fly as they backup.
Definately an option. As much as we exercise our backups, I'm pretty
confident that the compressed volumes are safe though.
Tracy McKibben
MCDBA
http://www.realsqlguy.com|||"Tracy McKibben" <tracy@.realsqlguy.com> wrote in message
news:459E5E0C.6040402@.realsqlguy.com...
> Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
> Yep - each backup gets restored to three different servers - DR, Standby,
> and Reporting. Full backups every night, logs every 5 minutes, haven't
> had one fail yet.
Actually to be honest, knowing you, I sort of assumed you did. I've just
seen too many people who say, "Oh the backups work fine..." only to find
out the restores don't. ;-)

>
> To be honest, I always viewed it as a "CYA" statement.
I recall it having to do something with aligning writes on sector boundaries
and the like for speed, but that was about it.

>
> Definately an option. As much as we exercise our backups, I'm pretty
> confident that the compressed volumes are safe though.
>
> --
> Tracy McKibben
> MCDBA
> http://www.realsqlguy.com

compress backup file

One KB article (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/231347/en-us) says that
backing up databases onto compressed volumes is not recommended and not
supported. My question is: Is it ok/supported if we backup the databases
regularly and then zip the backup files?
Thanks in advance.
ClaudiaHello,
You can do that. As a precausion once in while just unzip the file and
restore the database in your testing environment and make sure
that UNZIP process and RESTORE work fine.
Thanks
Hari
"Claudia" <Claudia@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4FFA3AD7-AA60-4FEA-BE8F-D58C8AE4039E@.microsoft.com...
> One KB article (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/231347/en-us) says that
> backing up databases onto compressed volumes is not recommended and not
> supported. My question is: Is it ok/supported if we backup the databases
> regularly and then zip the backup files?
> Thanks in advance.
> Claudia|||Claudia,
Or move the files to a compressed volume after the backup is complete. Move
them back to an uncompressed volume if you have to restore.
-- Bill
"Claudia" <Claudia@.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4FFA3AD7-AA60-4FEA-BE8F-D58C8AE4039E@.microsoft.com...
> One KB article (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/231347/en-us) says that
> backing up databases onto compressed volumes is not recommended and not
> supported. My question is: Is it ok/supported if we backup the databases
> regularly and then zip the backup files?
> Thanks in advance.
> Claudia|||Claudia wrote:
> One KB article (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/231347/en-us) says that
> backing up databases onto compressed volumes is not recommended and not
> supported. My question is: Is it ok/supported if we backup the databases
> regularly and then zip the backup files?
> Thanks in advance.
> Claudia
I've backed up to compressed volumes for years, never had a problem.
Definately don't put the live data files on a compressed volume, but the
backups seem to work without a hitch.
Tracy McKibben
MCDBA
http://www.realsqlguy.com|||"Tracy McKibben" <tracy@.realsqlguy.com> wrote in message
news:459E4D86.6000705@.realsqlguy.com...
> Claudia wrote:
>> One KB article (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/231347/en-us) says that
>> backing up databases onto compressed volumes is not recommended and not
>> supported. My question is: Is it ok/supported if we backup the databases
>> regularly and then zip the backup files?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Claudia
> I've backed up to compressed volumes for years, never had a problem.
> Definately don't put the live data files on a compressed volume, but the
> backups seem to work without a hitch.
Sure, but have you restored from the compressed volume? ;-)
Seriously, I think there's a few reasons MS recommends against this, but I
haven't seen problems either.
Also, another option is to look at some of the 3rd party backup tools out
there that will compress on the fly as they backup.
>
> --
> Tracy McKibben
> MCDBA
> http://www.realsqlguy.com|||Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
> Sure, but have you restored from the compressed volume? ;-)
Yep - each backup gets restored to three different servers - DR,
Standby, and Reporting. Full backups every night, logs every 5 minutes,
haven't had one fail yet.
> Seriously, I think there's a few reasons MS recommends against this, but I
> haven't seen problems either.
To be honest, I always viewed it as a "CYA" statement.
> Also, another option is to look at some of the 3rd party backup tools out
> there that will compress on the fly as they backup.
Definately an option. As much as we exercise our backups, I'm pretty
confident that the compressed volumes are safe though.
Tracy McKibben
MCDBA
http://www.realsqlguy.com|||"Tracy McKibben" <tracy@.realsqlguy.com> wrote in message
news:459E5E0C.6040402@.realsqlguy.com...
> Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
>> Sure, but have you restored from the compressed volume? ;-)
> Yep - each backup gets restored to three different servers - DR, Standby,
> and Reporting. Full backups every night, logs every 5 minutes, haven't
> had one fail yet.
Actually to be honest, knowing you, I sort of assumed you did. I've just
seen too many people who say, "Oh the backups work fine..." only to find
out the restores don't. ;-)
>> Seriously, I think there's a few reasons MS recommends against this, but
>> I haven't seen problems either.
> To be honest, I always viewed it as a "CYA" statement.
I recall it having to do something with aligning writes on sector boundaries
and the like for speed, but that was about it.
>> Also, another option is to look at some of the 3rd party backup tools out
>> there that will compress on the fly as they backup.
> Definately an option. As much as we exercise our backups, I'm pretty
> confident that the compressed volumes are safe though.
>
> --
> Tracy McKibben
> MCDBA
> http://www.realsqlguy.comsqlsql